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(Msg. 1) Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2007 8:46 pm
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Told many different things by many people. Will the 2007 Tundra and
Tacoma run just fine on regular gas?

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On Sep 9, 1:46 pm, Gareth wrote:
> Told many different things by many people. Will the 2007 Tundra and
> Tacoma run just fine on regular gas?

My 2002 Corolla suggests regular octane but I do notice that the
middle grade tends to run better and give me slightly better MPG than
regular octane. Also, if it makes the car run better and I get better
mileage, it seems worth it. Perhaps it's doing nothing but hitting my
pocket book harder but it's also possible it's leaving less carbon
deposits since it burns hotter... who knows. For now though, it seems
to be working well for me and I see no reason to change that.

I've read where others have used a lesser octane than what the manual
says. I believe most Toyota's will have the ECU adjust for this
although as always, it's probably better to run the octane that the
manual suggests and nothing less although I have seen plenty run a
lesser octane and so far, aren't seeing any issues.

Up to you I suppose. Smile

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2007 10:46 pm
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Gareth wrote:
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> Told many different things by many people. Will the 2007 Tundra and
> Tacoma run just fine on regular gas?
I think that the minimum octane rating for them is 87 octane (regular).
You can check the owners manual to be sure.
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 12:44 am
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On Sep 9, 4:46 pm, Gareth wrote:
> Told many different things by many people. Will the 2007 Tundra and
> Tacoma run just fine on regular gas?

If you go to Toyota's FAQ site, http://toyota.custhelp.com/ and search
for "octane" you can find this question: "What is the minimum octane
rating gasoline that I should use in my vehicle?"
For the current year Toyota Tacoma (4 cylinder and V6) and Tundra,
that's 87 octane.

(Of course, that's for US residents, using the (R+M)/2 method.)

If you weren't sure, you could've also looked in your owner's manual
for the proper octane ratings.

If your car is experiencing engine knock, then you should go up a
grade in octane.

Octane is a measure of the fuel's ability to resist pre-detonation (or
engine knock).

Higher octane gasoline doesn't mean that it is necessarily cleaner or
better. "Premium" is a mis-nomer. All gasoline sold in the US must
meet certain federal EPA clean-burning guidelines. However, some
individual brands _may_ decide to only put the extra cleaners in their
higher-octane fuel (as I've heard of some brands advertising low-
sulfur gasoline as only in their Premium line).

A higher octane gasoline actually has lower BTUs (energy content) than
a lower octane gasoline, so the only way that you'd see better fuel
economy by going up in octane is if you were previously using lower
than recommended octane in your car...

If your car's owner's manual says that you need to use a higher than
regular octane, you should follow that. (Pre-detonition over time can
cause harm to the engine.) However, every once and a while you could
use lower than the premium fuel, and get away with it...

Anyhow, I highly recommend:
http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/edu/pubs/consumer/autos/aut12.shtm - US Federal
Trade Commission's Facts for Consumers - "The Low-Down on High Octane
Gasoline"

History Channel's "Modern Marvels" episode titled "Gasoline"
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 12:56 am
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On Sun, 09 Sep 2007 16:46:49 -0400, Gareth wrote:

>
>Told many different things by many people. Will the 2007 Tundra and
>Tacoma run just fine on regular gas?

My 2005 Tacoma with the same V6 as the '07 "runs fine" on regular,
but is cheaper per mile, by a (WHOLE PENNY! <G>) to drive on the
"recommended" by the manual premium. I don't notice a performance
difference between 87 or 92 octane.

I have MPG data on every fill-up, back to March, 2005. My truck gets
a tad better MPG on 92, more than overcoming the ~ 30 cent / gallon
difference.
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 12:56 am
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On Sun, 09 Sep 2007 19:44:02 -0400, "Elmo P. Shagnasty"
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>It's not *just* the miles per gallon; you need to calculate it out to
>the cents per mile for fuel cost.

A point lost on many people.
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 2:55 am
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mrsteveo wrote:
> On Sep 9, 1:46 pm, Gareth wrote:
>> Told many different things by many people. Will the 2007 Tundra and
>> Tacoma run just fine on regular gas?
>
> My 2002 Corolla suggests regular octane but I do notice that the
> middle grade tends to run better and give me slightly better MPG than
> regular octane. Also, if it makes the car run better and I get better
> mileage, it seems worth it. Perhaps it's doing nothing but hitting my
> pocket book harder but it's also possible it's leaving less carbon
> deposits since it burns hotter... who knows.

What makes you think it burns hotter? All a high octane rating means is
that the gasoline is less likely to have premature detenation. A higher
octane does not mean that there is more energy in the gasoline.

> For now though, it seems
> to be working well for me and I see no reason to change that.
>
> I've read where others have used a lesser octane than what the manual
> says. I believe most Toyota's will have the ECU adjust for this
> although as always, it's probably better to run the octane that the
> manual suggests and nothing less although I have seen plenty run a
> lesser octane and so far, aren't seeing any issues.

Almost all cars made today have an ECU to adjust for different factors,
like the temperature, gasoline, and air density (which changes with
things like the altitude).

Jeff

> Up to you I suppose. Smile
>
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 11:18 am
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mrv.RemoveThis@kluge.net wrote:
> On Sep 9, 4:46 pm, Gareth wrote:
>> Told many different things by many people. Will the 2007 Tundra and
>> Tacoma run just fine on regular gas?
>
> If you go to Toyota's FAQ site, http://toyota.custhelp.com/ and search
> for "octane" you can find this question: "What is the minimum octane
> rating gasoline that I should use in my vehicle?"
> For the current year Toyota Tacoma (4 cylinder and V6) and Tundra,
> that's 87 octane.
>
> (Of course, that's for US residents, using the (R+M)/2 method.)
>
> If you weren't sure, you could've also looked in your owner's manual
> for the proper octane ratings.
>
> If your car is experiencing engine knock, then you should go up a
> grade in octane.
>
> Octane is a measure of the fuel's ability to resist pre-detonation (or
> engine knock).
>
> Higher octane gasoline doesn't mean that it is necessarily cleaner or
> better. "Premium" is a mis-nomer. All gasoline sold in the US must
> meet certain federal EPA clean-burning guidelines. However, some
> individual brands _may_ decide to only put the extra cleaners in their
> higher-octane fuel (as I've heard of some brands advertising low-
> sulfur gasoline as only in their Premium line).
>
> A higher octane gasoline actually has lower BTUs (energy content) than
> a lower octane gasoline, so the only way that you'd see better fuel
> economy by going up in octane is if you were previously using lower
> than recommended octane in your car...
>
> If your car's owner's manual says that you need to use a higher than
> regular octane, you should follow that. (Pre-detonition over time can
> cause harm to the engine.) However, every once and a while you could
> use lower than the premium fuel, and get away with it...
>
> Anyhow, I highly recommend:
> http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/edu/pubs/consumer/autos/aut12.shtm - US Federal
> Trade Commission's Facts for Consumers - "The Low-Down on High Octane
> Gasoline"
>
> History Channel's "Modern Marvels" episode titled "Gasoline"
>
The only thing I have that really needs "high test" is a riding
lawnmower on hot days when I'm cutting heavy weeds and grass, it has a
Honda engine and it does knock like hell. All my vehicles do fine with
regular grade of gasoline. I usually get top tier gasoline if the
price is within a couple of cents of the independents.
This is worth reading if you haven't seen it,
http://www.toptiergas.com/
I don't worry that much about miles per gallon, it's the total cost of
going a mile down the road, tires, insurance, windshields, repairs
(major and minor, maintenance like cam belts, water pumps, batteries,
wiper blades, depreciation etc. I'd guess my 98 Camry is about as good
at starting, stopping and going a mile down the road as any other
vehicle in it's class. An excellent total over cost, reasonable comfort
and safety good resale also if they are kept in good condition. As far
as mpg, I know my car will go at least 300 miles on 10 gallons of gas,
over 400 with a full tank.
One of the things that bothered me with Toyota is the 85 I had and
needed only the rubber diaphragm in the cruse control, it was a non
servicable dealer only item and the whole unit had to be bought, cost
over 450 bucks. Things like that will buy a lot of gasoline.
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 1:23 pm
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On Sep 10, 9:17 am, Gareth wrote:
> m....RemoveThis@kluge.net wrote:
> > On Sep 9, 4:46 pm, Gareth wrote:
> >> Told many different things by many people. Will the 2007 Tundra and
> >> Tacoma run just fine on regular gas?
>
> > If you go to Toyota's FAQ site,http://toyota.custhelp.com/and search
> > for "octane" you can find this question: "What is the minimum octane
> > rating gasoline that I should use in my vehicle?"
> > For the current year Toyota Tacoma (4 cylinder and V6) and Tundra,
> > that's 87 octane.
>
> > (Of course, that's for US residents, using the (R+M)/2 method.)
>
> > If you weren't sure, you could've also looked in your owner's manual
> > for the proper octane ratings.
>
> > If your car is experiencing engine knock, then you should go up a
> > grade in octane.
>
> > Octane is a measure of the fuel's ability to resist pre-detonation (or
> > engine knock).
>
> > Higher octane gasoline doesn't mean that it is necessarily cleaner or
> > better. "Premium" is a mis-nomer. All gasoline sold in the US must
> > meet certain federal EPA clean-burning guidelines. However, some
> > individual brands _may_ decide to only put the extra cleaners in their
> > higher-octane fuel (as I've heard of some brands advertising low-
> > sulfur gasoline as only in their Premium line).
>
> > A higher octane gasoline actually has lower BTUs (energy content) than
> > a lower octane gasoline, so the only way that you'd see better fuel
> > economy by going up in octane is if you were previously using lower
> > than recommended octane in your car...
>
> > If your car's owner's manual says that you need to use a higher than
> > regular octane, you should follow that. (Pre-detonition over time can
> > cause harm to the engine.) However, every once and a while you could
> > use lower than the premium fuel, and get away with it...
>
> > Anyhow, I highly recommend:
> >http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/edu/pubs/consumer/autos/aut12.shtm- US Federal
> > Trade Commission's Facts for Consumers - "The Low-Down on High Octane
> > Gasoline"
>
> > History Channel's "Modern Marvels" episode titled "Gasoline"
>
> I think all these comments are very interesting. I did check out the
> Toyota tundra site and they recommended a minimal of 87 octane without
> elaboration. I do not have a manual or yet own one of these trucks, but
> am strongly considering ownership. Dealer said he has no idea where I
> can find an owners manual. I use the techron in my ancient corolla and
> it is a wonderful product.
> Thanks so much for the words of wisdom!
>
> gary

eBay tends to have owner manuals for sale on the cheap. I see them
for my Corolla all the time.
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 1:25 pm
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On Sep 10, 9:21 am, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
> "Gareth" wrote in message
>
>
>
>
>
> > m....TakeThisOut@kluge.net wrote:
> >> On Sep 9, 4:46 pm, Gareth wrote:
> >>> Told many different things by many people. Will the 2007 Tundra and
> >>> Tacoma run just fine on regular gas?
>
> >> If you go to Toyota's FAQ site,http://toyota.custhelp.com/and search
> >> for "octane" you can find this question: "What is the minimum octane
> >> rating gasoline that I should use in my vehicle?"
> >> For the current year Toyota Tacoma (4 cylinder and V6) and Tundra,
> >> that's 87 octane.
>
> >> (Of course, that's for US residents, using the (R+M)/2 method.)
>
> >> If you weren't sure, you could've also looked in your owner's manual
> >> for the proper octane ratings.
>
> >> If your car is experiencing engine knock, then you should go up a
> >> grade in octane.
>
> >> Octane is a measure of the fuel's ability to resist pre-detonation (or
> >> engine knock).
>
> >> Higher octane gasoline doesn't mean that it is necessarily cleaner or
> >> better. "Premium" is a mis-nomer. All gasoline sold in the US must
> >> meet certain federal EPA clean-burning guidelines. However, some
> >> individual brands _may_ decide to only put the extra cleaners in their
> >> higher-octane fuel (as I've heard of some brands advertising low-
> >> sulfur gasoline as only in their Premium line).
>
> >> A higher octane gasoline actually has lower BTUs (energy content) than
> >> a lower octane gasoline, so the only way that you'd see better fuel
> >> economy by going up in octane is if you were previously using lower
> >> than recommended octane in your car...
>
> >> If your car's owner's manual says that you need to use a higher than
> >> regular octane, you should follow that. (Pre-detonition over time can
> >> cause harm to the engine.) However, every once and a while you could
> >> use lower than the premium fuel, and get away with it...
>
> >> Anyhow, I highly recommend:
> >>http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/edu/pubs/consumer/autos/aut12.shtm- US Federal
> >> Trade Commission's Facts for Consumers - "The Low-Down on High Octane
> >> Gasoline"
>
> >> History Channel's "Modern Marvels" episode titled "Gasoline"
>
> > I think all these comments are very interesting. I did check out the
> > Toyota tundra site and they recommended a minimal of 87 octane without
> > elaboration. I do not have a manual or yet own one of these trucks, but am
> > strongly considering ownership. Dealer said he has no idea where I can
> > find an owners manual. I use the techron in my ancient corolla and it is a
> > wonderful product.
> > Thanks so much for the words of wisdom!
>
> > gary
>
> Toyota can't be any more specific because they have no control over the
> quality of the gas you buy. About the only thing they could add to their
> guidelines would be to close the windows and shut off the radio regularly,
> so you can hear any new sounds the car might be making, including engine
> knock.

Stupid question perhaps but, how do you tell if you have knocking?
I've listened to my vehicle when it's quiet outside and inside and
have never heard anything but I don't know what I would listen for
anyway.

For what it's worth, at idle sometimes the car is so quiet I wonder if
it's died on me. It idles that quietly. And on that note, I have
never heard anything short of the injectors making their normal
sounds.

Maybe there is a YouTube video showing what knocking looks/sounds like?
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 1:27 pm
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mrv DeleteThis @kluge.net wrote:
>
> If your car's owner's manual says that you need to use a higher than
> regular octane, you should follow that. (Pre-detonition over time can
> cause harm to the engine.) However, every once and a while you could
> use lower than the premium fuel, and get away with it...

I think lots of the confusion specifically around the V6 Tacoma is based
on the manual's statement of 87 octane as a minimum, but 91 is
"recommended".
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 3:52 pm
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> mrv.DeleteThis@kluge.net wrote:
>
> I think all these comments are very interesting. I did check out the
> Toyota tundra site and they recommended a minimal of 87 octane without
> elaboration. I do not have a manual or yet own one of these trucks, but am
> strongly considering ownership. Dealer said he has no idea where I can
> find an owners manual. I use the techron in my ancient corolla and it is a
> wonderful product.
> Thanks so much for the words of wisdom!
>
> gary

The dealer doesn't know where to find an owner's manual? Is this a Toyota
dealer or a used car dealer ?
If it's a Toyota dealer, he might go so far as to look in one of his cars'
glove compartment, don't you think?
And failing everything else, how about going to a Toyota dealer and asking
him the octane requirement?
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 4:17 pm
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mrv DeleteThis @kluge.net wrote:
> On Sep 9, 4:46 pm, Gareth wrote:
>> Told many different things by many people. Will the 2007 Tundra and
>> Tacoma run just fine on regular gas?
>
> If you go to Toyota's FAQ site, http://toyota.custhelp.com/ and search
> for "octane" you can find this question: "What is the minimum octane
> rating gasoline that I should use in my vehicle?"
> For the current year Toyota Tacoma (4 cylinder and V6) and Tundra,
> that's 87 octane.
>
> (Of course, that's for US residents, using the (R+M)/2 method.)
>
> If you weren't sure, you could've also looked in your owner's manual
> for the proper octane ratings.
>
> If your car is experiencing engine knock, then you should go up a
> grade in octane.
>
> Octane is a measure of the fuel's ability to resist pre-detonation (or
> engine knock).
>
> Higher octane gasoline doesn't mean that it is necessarily cleaner or
> better. "Premium" is a mis-nomer. All gasoline sold in the US must
> meet certain federal EPA clean-burning guidelines. However, some
> individual brands _may_ decide to only put the extra cleaners in their
> higher-octane fuel (as I've heard of some brands advertising low-
> sulfur gasoline as only in their Premium line).
>
> A higher octane gasoline actually has lower BTUs (energy content) than
> a lower octane gasoline, so the only way that you'd see better fuel
> economy by going up in octane is if you were previously using lower
> than recommended octane in your car...
>
> If your car's owner's manual says that you need to use a higher than
> regular octane, you should follow that. (Pre-detonition over time can
> cause harm to the engine.) However, every once and a while you could
> use lower than the premium fuel, and get away with it...
>
> Anyhow, I highly recommend:
> http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/edu/pubs/consumer/autos/aut12.shtm - US Federal
> Trade Commission's Facts for Consumers - "The Low-Down on High Octane
> Gasoline"
>
> History Channel's "Modern Marvels" episode titled "Gasoline"
>

I think all these comments are very interesting. I did check out the
Toyota tundra site and they recommended a minimal of 87 octane without
elaboration. I do not have a manual or yet own one of these trucks, but
am strongly considering ownership. Dealer said he has no idea where I
can find an owners manual. I use the techron in my ancient corolla and
it is a wonderful product.
Thanks so much for the words of wisdom!

gary
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